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		<title>By: tb</title>
		<link>http://www.timboerger.net/2009/12/08/have-the-geeks-really-won/comment-page-1/#comment-215228</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

Excellent points, all around.  That&#039;s the problem with doing a blog post about something that could fill a whole MFA paper, not enough time to hit all the bases.

Let me hit some salient points though on what you&#039;re saying.

* School, especially public school, is going to be tough for geek kids no matter what.  It&#039;s a place where cliques still rule and I just don&#039;t see any change for that in the near future.

* Maybe there&#039;s a misconception about geeks and where we are right now.  Maybe the geeks of history have found their societal place because they&#039;ve always had a place.  Maybe it&#039;s just now that we can actual express how surprised we are that society doesn&#039;t keep denigrating us.  Perhaps we all mellow with age.  This is just free thinking here, not to be taken as my beliefs.  These are questions that have crossed my mind.

* And in turn, being comfortable with where we are, I guess I&#039;m surprised as what that means when what ever we call art tries to reflect ourselves...which is where my rambling rant on where the &quot;Hollywood still doesn&#039;t get geeks&quot; was exploring.

You are absolutely right though, we have taken the words back and not only taken their power from them, but I would say that we&#039;ve infused it with our own, new and improved, as it were.  Some people actually desire to be called geeks and that just proves how far we&#039;ve come.

Heh, nice reference at the end there.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>Excellent points, all around.  That&#8217;s the problem with doing a blog post about something that could fill a whole MFA paper, not enough time to hit all the bases.</p>
<p>Let me hit some salient points though on what you&#8217;re saying.</p>
<p>* School, especially public school, is going to be tough for geek kids no matter what.  It&#8217;s a place where cliques still rule and I just don&#8217;t see any change for that in the near future.</p>
<p>* Maybe there&#8217;s a misconception about geeks and where we are right now.  Maybe the geeks of history have found their societal place because they&#8217;ve always had a place.  Maybe it&#8217;s just now that we can actual express how surprised we are that society doesn&#8217;t keep denigrating us.  Perhaps we all mellow with age.  This is just free thinking here, not to be taken as my beliefs.  These are questions that have crossed my mind.</p>
<p>* And in turn, being comfortable with where we are, I guess I&#8217;m surprised as what that means when what ever we call art tries to reflect ourselves&#8230;which is where my rambling rant on where the &#8220;Hollywood still doesn&#8217;t get geeks&#8221; was exploring.</p>
<p>You are absolutely right though, we have taken the words back and not only taken their power from them, but I would say that we&#8217;ve infused it with our own, new and improved, as it were.  Some people actually desire to be called geeks and that just proves how far we&#8217;ve come.</p>
<p>Heh, nice reference at the end there.</p>
<p>tb</p>
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		<title>By: -e</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim-

While you raise some valid points.  I think you miss the big picture.  It&#039;s not that we won because we&#039;re playing some game, or because we&#039;re somehow more socially acceptable, though I wonder about that.  I haven&#039;t been in an jr high in a while but I&#039;m sure that the math club is still pretty ostracized.  The point is that we&#039;ve taken the words back. 

Like the gay and black communities we&#039;ve embraced the slurs and rendered them powerless. That&#039;s what was won.

It&#039;s not about being mainstream.  Facebook was for us and then our mom&#039;s and grandma&#039;s started joining, so we moved on. This current fad with geek culture will pass as all things do, but I  think we&#039;ve passed a milestone in that it&#039;s going to continue to be socially acceptable to be a dork. 

At the very least we&#039;ve removed the need for Anthony Edward&#039;s to make a speech at the pep rally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim-</p>
<p>While you raise some valid points.  I think you miss the big picture.  It&#8217;s not that we won because we&#8217;re playing some game, or because we&#8217;re somehow more socially acceptable, though I wonder about that.  I haven&#8217;t been in an jr high in a while but I&#8217;m sure that the math club is still pretty ostracized.  The point is that we&#8217;ve taken the words back. </p>
<p>Like the gay and black communities we&#8217;ve embraced the slurs and rendered them powerless. That&#8217;s what was won.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about being mainstream.  Facebook was for us and then our mom&#8217;s and grandma&#8217;s started joining, so we moved on. This current fad with geek culture will pass as all things do, but I  think we&#8217;ve passed a milestone in that it&#8217;s going to continue to be socially acceptable to be a dork. </p>
<p>At the very least we&#8217;ve removed the need for Anthony Edward&#8217;s to make a speech at the pep rally.</p>
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